Pinnacle-Terrible!

[AirMan]

I recently bought an orion 2500d from mike(pinnacle) after getting home and installing the amp it would not work properly. I have rechecked everything, installed new RCA's, the amp goes into protect no matter what ohm load is on it after about 10-12seconds. He is refusing to give me a refund for the amp instead he is telling me to send it to Steve at amp medics. Which I do not have the money to do sense I just paid 300 bucks for a broken amp.

[loud guns]

Sounds like an excuse to me. :pointnlaugh:

[AirMan]

hahaha, good one chief.

[iamamp3pimp]

man the second shop in jville that i have read bad things about in 2 posts.

thats no good.

[AirMan]

Well he isnt a shop anymore. He seen I was interested in Buzz's amp and sent me a PM said he had one in better condition for less and was local. I needed the amp for SBN so that seemed to be perfect. His only resolution is for me to ship it to amp medics for repair. but refuses to refund me.

[mobeious]

did u ask to see the amp work before u bought it?

[AirMan]

No, neither of us had a way to test it. My ignorance for trusting someone.

[Gator 1]

I have known Mike for a long time and I have never known him to do harm to anyone. If there is a problem with the amp Im sure if he had known he would not have sold it to u.

[AirMan]

If that was the case then he wouldn't have a problem giving my money back.

[Gator 1]

Sorry what happened has happened but Im sure it will be handled

[sweet&low]

If he gave you your money back that would just give you a free amp. And neither of you had proof it work or didnt work before you bought it. There for you could of screwed up when installing it. Sounds like its your fault for not checking the amp before you bought it. I wouldnt give your money back either.

Not choosing sides just stating how I see it.

[AirMan]

I do not want the amp. I want to give it back to him and get my money back. That is true, it is my fault for trusting him. I will not take anyone's word from this forum again. I do know I did not mess up hooking the amp up, My moral aptitude would not allow for it. I would send it to DB'r if I believed at all that it was my fault.

[AirMan]

Sorry what happened has happened but Im sure it will be handled
He has already told me he will not refund my money. He keeps telling me to send it back to amp medics to get repaired again. Unfortunately I do not have the money for that.

[rastabobo]

Sucks guy.. I just sold my amp to Hollow and I had it playing and blasting in the car before I unhooked it in FRONT of him.. He also had me open it up for him to compare the guts to a picture to ensure the board was a Z1. So we both were/are covered. Needless to say when transferring money of such magnitude to strangers, never trust people. Not a store where you can get a refund or warranty.

[teamriles]

i know mike for a while and i know that mike got that amp back from amp medic and i know for a couple months it was still in the plastic he never hooked it up so might not have been fixed when he got it back

[AirMan]

yea so I got screwed, I've already excepted it. The fact that mike wont take the amp back shows what kind of person he really is.

[mobeious]

I can see where he is coming from i sold a VFL400.1 to a guy and i knew for a fact it worked he PMed me about 3days after he got it and said it didnt work that he wanted his money back i sent him a video i took before i shipped it of it playing subs and he admited to hooking the pos and neg up backwards

[AirMan]

Ya thats a different story. I didnt hook anything up wrong, the amp does work but has very weak crappy sounding output.

[rastabobo]

Its funny how everyone here is coming to the Mike guy's defense. Granted it's Airman's fault, and he should have checked the amp out prior to handing over the money. But let's not make the Mike guy look 100% innocent. I mean the amp was broken before like riles said it came from amp medic. He didn't hook it up as it sat in the plastic for a while. So there's potential that Mike sold a defective amp. He may have thought it worked or maybe he knew it didn't, either way now its defective. It doesn't matter how long ago you've known the dude, or what other great transactions he has done in the past. For Airman it's all about how HE got screwed..

[AirMan]

Ya, So far he has offered me back 12.50 for the amp.

[KickinAudio]

Guess he's not going to post his defense here? Doesn't help his side of things.

[Pinnacle]

On Wed., Airman bought the 2500D from me. I told him that Steve at Amp Medics repaired it, and that it has not been powered up since I got it back.

The next time I hear from him is from a PM on Sun. afternoon saying the amp is bad, and that it does only 360 watts. He said he installed it two of his vehicles, and this was all he could get out of it. He wanted his money back, after 5 days and two installs.

I sent him copies of the repair receipt from Steve. I also called Steve and he told me to check his car's battery voltage, RCA voltage, grounds, etc. before sending it back to him. I offered this to him and he declined. If it is sent to Steve and he says it was not repaired correctly, he would take care of it.

I then offered to split the return shipping with him back to Steve. I have had no response yet.

[Jim...............]

sounds to me that mike is trying to help you and make this right. Just send the amp to steve and if its something that he missed in repairing it the first time, then he already said he'd take care of it.

[epayne123]

Ok, just like Sweet said... There's no way to prove it worked before he shipped it and there's no way to prove if it was your fault. Idc if u say that u didnt(like telling the judge in trial that u didn't murder the guy and the case gets thrown out) do anything to hurt the amp... Either way there's no proof, lol and Rasta if the amp DID work after he got it back then should Mike fix it? Why should Mike fix it when there's no way to prove tha the amp was broken before shipment along with no way of proving that Airman broke it so yes IF Mike never hooked it up to see for himself that everything worked then he is partially at fault with the possibility along with AirMan could've possibly broken himself, no way to tell! But since he told u that it was not powered on since repair..... HaHa

[Chuck]

If it was sent to Steve for repair, it was guaranteed to be working aftwerwards. Every amp he fixes, he hooks them up and plays them for a bit to make sure there are no other problems. On big amps thats he has done for me, he told me that he fixed it and played it for 5-8 hours straight to make 100% sure that there is no problem. Then after that, he lets me know its repaired, and hooks it up and plays it for me on the bench.

So like I said, if it passed through Steve's hands, it was fixed and functional when it left his bench unless he says otherwise.

[Gator 1]

not always so true i got an amp back from steve and we ran it in Dustin's car for sbn and it still had the same problem. steve took the amp back with him from sbn and fix it, so some times it happens. Q will i ever send another amp back to steve YES i trust his work and he will always have my bad amps to fix. just to say nothing is 100%.

[Gator 1]

just send the amp back to steve hell i'll help with the shipping.

[jay-cee]

not always so true i got an amp back from steve and we ran it in Dustin's car for sbn and it still had the same problem. steve took the amp back with him from sbn and fix it, so some times it happens. Q will i ever send another amp back to steve YES i trust his work and he will always have my bad amps to fix. just to say nothing is 100%.

x2, some amps wont trip until put back into a real world car scenario. Just cause it seems a 100% before it leaves from the shop doesnt mean it is 100% working properly.

I know used amps are good deals but when will people learn to either stop buying used if you cant hook up right then and there in your car before purchasing to have 100% proof the amps work. If you cant do that then simply dont buy a used amp cause **** happens and everyone will say there amp was working before unhooking it and selling it.

[Bizzar1]

I like used broken stuff. I make money off people who buy them and they never ever learn! If someone brings in an amp or radio to be hooked up to my shop, I offer a $5-15 bench test before any work is performed. Most people decline this test and assure it works but I always inform them if the equipment is no good, I will still charge installation. I lost count how many times I hear "I just took it from my boys car, I know it works" as all the wires are still attached to the amp and just snipped right off including the rca's lmao.

[AirMan]

Mike only sent me a paypal reciept with no information on it, could have been for any amp. I hope to god he is lieing and steve did not work on this amp. I opened it up and it looks like a drunk 5yr old with cerebal palsy soldered the rca connections to the board. mike offered me 12.50cents to send the amp back to steve and have it looks at again,if it is something else that steve didnt work on it could be up to 300 bucks for the repair. Also steve keeps no records so he has NO idea what he did to the amp. Ive chopped this one up as a learning expierence. I have no desire to send it back to steve because the condition of the board as is now.

[AirMan]

Also the amp was only installed one time. I have been working 14hr shifts sending crews to japan for relief efforts and stuff with Libya I cannot say. Sunday was my first day off and that is why I took 5 days to install it.

[AirMan]

After further inspection of the board I do not believe for one second that Steve did work on this amp. There is not a single solder joint that looks any different. They all appear fairly old by the amount of corrosion on them, and on top of that, there are multiple, at least 15 burn components on the board. If steve did repair the amp I believe he would have put new components in.

[fearof85]

After further inspection of the board I do not believe for one second that Steve did work on this amp. There is not a single solder joint that looks any different. They all appear fairly old by the amount of corrosion on them, and on top of that, there are multiple, at least 15 burn components on the board. If steve did repair the amp I believe he would have put new components in.

Pics would help you.:wink:


Drew

[AirMan]

I have a few but the camera does not take macro pictures that good. I only found 3 of these little black things that where completely burnt, they are small and black with a solid wire arching down going to the bored on each side. I soldered those back together and the amp is playing better but still not normal.

[AirMan]

Ok I have some pictures, the things circled in yellow needed to be soldered back together but I believe they need to be replaced. Any idea where I can get one? anything circled in black either needed to be soldered some or is burnt. Some points are burnt pretty bad
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e304/AndrewMack/DSCF3406.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e304/AndrewMack/DSCF3407.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e304/AndrewMack/DSCF3409.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e304/AndrewMack/DSCF3412.jpg

[AirMan]

I would like steve to step in and tell us if this is honestly the work he does? from my past experience with him it is NOT

[nicawatts]

from these pics, and not just whats circled this amp has had alot of work, and to be sold as a very good condition amp is a very horrible thing to do to someone just be honest to begin with, most times it will sell anyway. very bad deal. I would be pist off ,and shove it up the sellers, well uno. thats why when i buy something now days, i look at the board, and hook it up . but that is still no excuse. its sorry.

[AirMan]

Thanks nick, People like Mike make me wish I wasnt military and did not have a family to support. but Karma, it will come back to him one day I am certain.

[chickaboom]

If this amp has been to us, it has been damaged since. There is no way Steve would have released a board in this condition. We get several amps that Steve determines are unrepairable due to the severity of the damage. As Gator said, sometimes things happen upon installation, sometimes problems cannot be recreated on the bench. Currently, four companies have entrusted us with warranty repairs and it would not be happening if this were the work released.

I see some burnt resistors, a couple diodes and at least one fet. Visual diagnosis will not reveal all the damage. Steve will be happy to look at the amp for you and give you an estimate. We are not far from you and would be happy to meet you when you have time.

[AirMan]

Well now Mike needs to reed this because he insist that this amp was just returned from you guys with a good amount of work being done to it and this is the exact condition the amp was in the day i bought it.

[Hollow dog]

I got to say i think a refund is in order. Today I sold one of my JL amps. I showed that it worked in my car, all was good. I let the buyer install into his own can and within 3 mins the amp shut off and did not come bak on. I quickly had to make a decision. I knew the amp was good and it played 2 mins ago in my car and now it looked like it was gone. Did he blow it that quickly? I knew instantly I would have to give the man his money back. I knew this would suck as I had just lost my amp but I would not have tried to tell him it was his ault and he hadnt even left my driveway. I knew how mad I would be. Luckly before I handed the money to him I spotted the problem and fixed it on site. The seller is like the store and the costomer is always right. Thats how I see it. I can also say I know airman and he is no hack wire installer so thats out of the question and I heard the subs going at it the sunday before this sale so I know there were no wiring issues with the previous setup. I dont know Mike so I cant comment there.

[AirMan]

Mike may not have known the amp was blown, but in this case I do believe a refund is justified. If the situation was reversed I would have already given the buyer his money back. I supposed I was raised better

[Big D]

Dammmmmmmnnnnnn!!!!

I just saw the pic's

I think you can get a disability check for that amp :fyi:

So Amp Medic's said that aint there work, they wouldn't send it out like that.

Hmmmmm, you should get your money back...I don't see that happening, I hope you do though.

What did Buzz want for his?

[AirMan]

Buzz wants 350 which was a great price but I couldnt get his in time for SBN. Right now I am sending out so many planes with emergency supplies for Japan that his has taken the back burner. As bad as it bothers me that someone could do this what I am doing for another country makes me feel pretty damn good and has kind of taken the edge away from this situation.

[AirMan]

I would like Mike to come in here after seeing the pictures and see if he still thinks he did not scam me.

[ParaNormalAudio]

I think you deserve your money back aswell seeing the pics. All i can think about reading this is when i was in the reverse situation. I gave the money back and i still got F...ed over. I dont think my amp was broke in the first place at all.

[AirMan]

Anyone who knows information on Mike please PM me. I need his last name at the least and address/phone number would help. I am going to Jag for some help on this one. I just found out that they will take this as a case because it is considered Taking advantage of a service member. I do have to pay 80 dollars to Duval county to file the paperwork though,but that can be added to my judgment

[AirMan]

This is from Chris at DB'r I sent him pics of the board asking for help

Hmmm... I see there are some completely burned up pulldown resistors next to the what appears to be NEW gate resistors... No way Steve would have not replaced the pulldown resistors, they are important. Also he is very meticulous about cleaning the board, that soot that is on there has been wiped away AFTER the amp was re-assembled, so I am thinking some stuff smoked, someone had a ghetto repair job done on it (from the top of the amp, without removing the board from the heatsink) and they didn't replace all the parts and they didn't wipe off all the soot.... I think someone may have screwed you over on that... The soldering looks elementary level, very crude, especially on the mosfet legs, also, so it couldn't have been him, he is an expert, been soldering for 20 years or better... Looks like it was done from the top of the amp with the cover off, board still installed in the heatsink, with a cheap "walmart" type soldering iron... Steve uses PACE equipment, no way it would solder like that. Walmart solder irons are $10-$20, Pace are $50-$1000's of dollars depending on what grade you buy, even their cheap stuff blows the others out of the water, we use Hakko here, which is also brand name. Steve's PACE desoldering machine (just for desoldering) costs $600-$1000... We dont even have that here, we use hand-op vacuum pumps (work fine, just more labor involved).

So anyway, after studying all that and knowing what I know about Steve and his work, that is not his work. It may have been serviced by him before, but it looks like it's been to a ghetto shop or a hobbyist repair dude since then to be worked on again...

[KickinAudio]

You certainly deserve a refund and Mike should take the amp back. There is always small claims court...

[AirMan]

I am following up with small claims court. Being in the navy has its perks and I went to navy legal, that are helping me with it. Things I did not know, I can claim gas mileage and wear and tear on my car driving out to meet him for the purchase, plus the court cost, plus I will take a day of leave for court, which I can sell my leave back to the navy, so I can claim that cost also. so 300 turns out to be much much more

[iamamp3pimp]

indeed it does.

Sounds like you have a situation on your hands, and hopefully all goes well for you brother.

[AirMan]

thanks robin. Ya this situation is causing problem between my wife and I and that is what is making me take this further than I normally would

[ParaNormalAudio]

take it as far as you need to boss. Make an example out of him. Just dont lose your wife over it.

[AirMan]

I just wish I didnt have to fight for my money back

[AirMan]

I need some information about this guy, his last name would help. I think he said it was hoyt but I cant remember for sure. I do have his number so I don't need that.

[AirMan]

Mike was active for almost an hour and didn't feel the need to defend himself. Feeling guilty?

[AirMan]

Straight from amp medics.

You will never see ****ty soldering , burnt components, soot, or even flux left on amps I repair. I pride myself in making an amp look untouched after a repair. I have all the proper equipment and tools to do the job correctly. I deal with 4 manufacturers that trust me in doing all their warranty repairs. If I did work like that, I certainly would not have been approached by these companies!! It upsets me when people try to throw me under the bus before all facts and information is gathered. Pride is what people are losing in their work ,and fortunatly I am not one of them. Chris and I help each other out with different parts situations and information. He refers me all of the amps that he does not work on. He would not do that if I did ****ty work like in the pictures you posted. Being falsely accused can **** up my excellent reputation, and that doesn't make me happy. I will help anyone out that needs my skills without hesitation, all you have to do is ask. After all this, I will be happy to see if I can sniff out the problem and clean up the absolute mess in that amp. There is no single thing I can think of other than the burned pull down resistors or driverboards causing the problem.

[AirMan]

Mike you got caught, plain and simple dude. You can either give me my 300 bucks and ill gladly give you the amp back, or give me 100 and I will have the amp repaired. I believe that to be VERY fair

[Hollow dog]

I am also very surprised he has not jumped in and given the money up. As this post goes longer and longer he will only look worse. He could have refunded the money and saved face but now there is no repairing that either.

[Rollin4Deep]

Some one needs to step up and do the right thing ! Hope it all works out for you Airman .

[rastabobo]

Hmmmm.. In the beginning Mike had all the defenders about his past sales and past rep..yada yada. Don't see any of that in the recent posts!!! Like I said earlier, none of that matters when you're the one being screwed over. Airman you need to take blame for not checking the amp out, considering it was declared repaired. Mike you need to take blame for selling a piece of junk as fully functional.. How you two decide to come to terms on both ends is up to you'll.. Needless to say Mike you have more to lose at this point with rep and future sales.

[AirMan]

come on in mike and put up a statement letting everyone know why you don't think i dererve a refund.

[low_dime]

Hmmmm.. In the beginning Mike had all the defenders about his past sales and past rep..yada yada. Don't see any of that in the recent posts!!! Like I said earlier, none of that matters when you're the one being screwed over. Airman you need to take blame for not checking the amp out, considering it was declared repaired. Mike you need to take blame for selling a piece of junk as fully functional.. How you two decide to come to terms on both ends is up to you'll.. Needless to say Mike you have more to lose at this point with rep and future sales.

i'm sorry, but i don't agree with this statement. being a busy person should not put him at blame for not having the ability to "check it out " right away.

[TechSys]

Both should have checked it out before funds transferred. I have heard some horror stories in the past about Amp Medics and the work they do. That was on other forums and it's been a while.
I'm not going to take sides. I believe both parties are partially at fault, for the same thing, not checking the amp to make sure it works. If Mike did in fact send it to Amp Medics for repair, then both parties AND Amp Medics are at fault.
Not going to try saying anything bad (other than what I've already done), but maybe, just maybe, the company doesn't want to do warranty work (or whatever they call it) so they say they didn't do the work in the first place to cover themselves. I've seen this before in the car audio industry and non car audio industry. I know what they'll say, and there is no actual proof that they did work on it, but that's just a thought.

[AirMan]

Ya im over this, dude is such an Infant he wont even defend himself over the internet. im just going to legal way seeya in court

[Big D]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSx1FIbyqXrcSzcb4grSvC_Vv-Y-n_eaSoZB1akShVeMn-_fxHFpA

[AirMan]

hahaha Touche Sir, Touche!

[Pinnacle]

I am requesting that only Airman, Steve or his wife , and I post in this thread for right now.

Airman, what vehicle did you install this amp in?

[AirMan]

And the vehicle it was installed in would have changed that the amp was messed up from time of purchase?

[Pinnacle]

Did you install the amp in your Altima?

[AirMan]

And the vehicle it was installed in would have changed that the amp was messed up from time of purchase?

still curious

[Pinnacle]

The Kia mini van that you were in when you picked the amp up, is that your wife's vehicle?

[AirMan]

WTF does this have to do with anything?

[05blackneon]

Did you wear a size 8 black hat with the brim turned 23 degrees to the left while installing it in your car?

[Big D]

Did you wear a size 8 black hat with the brim turned 23 degrees to the left while installing it in your car?

WAM~BAM~shiZAM, that is the reason the amp didn't work! Ignore the shyty soldiering, you do not pass GO or collect $200!

No refunds, No shoe, No shirt = a broke amp

[AirMan]

ahh I love you guys. thats funny stuff

[AirMan]

I can't help it jay, its the New Navy, its turning me?

[pcaudionut]

Sorry bout ur luck bro! Regardless of what a few people say, Mike dos have a bad reputation within the car audio industry. I hope he decides to act like a man and step up and either refund ur $ or have it fixed for u. He is nice to Step and them at Pure Pressure but I personally have had Mike screw up good deals for me bye running his mouth to people he didnt need too. Robin Butler is to nice to say anything mean on here, but he also has "most likely" heard about Mike in the past through fellow competitors. Another thing is u should not have to test anything before u buy it, u should be able to trust the people who use this site. Obviously thats not always the case. If he decides not to step up and have it fixed for u, just send it to Steve Garone @ Amp Medics hes a stand up guy. Goodluck with the amp bro, and ignore some of the ignorant comments from others.

[AirMan]

I have had two forum members PM me with bad experiences from mike, one nearly identical to this where He also says an amp was repaired at amp medics and was found out not to be true

[Gator 1]

thats funny pcaudionut you say you should not have to test stuff when you get it, thats true if it's NEW but even then they can be bad. sorry but noone knows if the amp was bad or not. but i know enough ppl that are trying to help and then we have a few ppl that just want to point fingers. let just come together get the amp fixed and try and fix this site.

[Gixxer Kid 904]

hoyt is correct

[Pinnacle]

Also the amp was only installed one time.





hey man I am having trouble with this amp. I have checked and rechecked all my wiring, replaced RCA's and tried it in my wifes vehicle but I am only able to clamp around 360w from the amp with a 1ohm load and a very small rise. I would like to give the amp back and get my money back. I contacted Steve and he has no records of working on the amp. Please contact me ASAP. 904-508-2476 anytime



This was the PM I got from you on Sunday afternoon. You indicate that you installed the amp in your wife's car also, which means you installed it in your's first. That would be 2 installs. I am assuming that in the Altima that you ran it at a .5 Ohm load, since you told me you were going to and you had that in your sig for a week.I also will assume that it is on the stock electrical since that is how you stated that you are running your current amp.

I soldered those back together and the amp is playing better but still not normal.

You did solder work on the amp and then posted pics of it. You are the first to open the amp up since Steve repaired it.

On Monday after I was contacted by you, I contacted Steve and he told me that he would take care of the repair if you sent it to him, and it was something that he missed, or was damaged in shipping. I offered to pay half of the return shipping, not refund you $12.50. You decided not to go that route. Why is that? Steve marks his amps so he knows that he has worked on them, so that is not the issue. He won't repair any damage caused by you. Those pull down resistors, fets, and anything else that burnt, I'm sure they smell. Before you bought the amp you smelled it. If it smelled burnt then, why did you but it. Because it didn't smell burnt. Because it wasn't. You were the first to power it up since Steve repaired it.



I don't know who you got PM's from, but this was the only amp I have ever had Steve repair for me. I never claimed to have anything repaired by him before. I used to use a different for customer amp repair.

Thank you everyone for not posting in this thread as requested. Quite courteous of you.

[AirMan]

I did not run the amp in my wifes van as her car is not setup for this I tried it in her old car. I put the amp in my car first on a 2ohm load, and it is not stock electrical. I then tried to run it at half ohm with absolutely no more power output. I respect the people who PMed and told me about their issues with you and I will not post their names up here. I have all the information I need. Steve said he DID NOT work on this amp, he said if he had he would have replaced a bunch of the components on the board that were stock. You are lying about the amp being repaired by him.You are a scammer, and a now a known scammer.

[Pinnacle]

This is a copy of the receipt that I provided you that shows thr repair of the amp from Steve.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k31/Canes06_2006/OrionAmp.png

[AirMan]

funny how the one you sent me says nothing about what amplifier was worked on.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e304/AndrewMack/reciept.png

[AirMan]

Steve please come in here and see the new Evidence that mike has provided. Seems you may have done the work to this amp after all.

[pcaudionut]

Apparently I made a MASSIVE blunder and confused this gentleman Mike @Pinnacle with a totally different mike I delt with In Jax a few yrs. back. My sincere apology to Mike @Pinnacle for the INCORRECT post. Once again Im sorry.

[AirMan]

It probably was the same mike though, I have had a few people tell me he likes to do business this way.

[Chuck]

Apparently I made a MASSIVE blunder and confused this gentleman Mike @Pinnacle with a totally different mike I delt with In Jax a few yrs. back. My sincere apology to Mike @Pinnacle for the INCORRECT post. Once again Im sorry.

You can go back and delete your post if you didn't want it to be there anymore.

[chickaboom]

Steve worked on an Orion 2500D for Mike in July 2010. As Chris, from dBr, pointed out, the pictures posted in this thread are not Steve's work. Please note: Steve repaired an Orion 2500 D for Mike from Pinnacle in July 2010. The pictures posted on this thread could be the same amp after someone else tried to re-work it after damage occurred. The pictures could be of a totally different amp. Components in the picture are not installed consistent with Steve's work. If Airman or Mike need any further information from Amp Medics, please send it in writing to the business address on Little Rd.

Thank you,

Brenda

[AirMan]

I think mike had an amp repaired from you guys but not this one. I don't see steve only replacing a few components in a key area where all of them should have been.

[AirMan]

Steve, would you have left all the speaker terminals stripped, or is that something you would have done during the repair process?

[Hollow dog]

I agree. Even if mike didnt do anything wrong seems he shoulda reversed the transaction from the begining. Yes I understand that mike (feeling he did nothing wrong) would be worried that airman messed it up, but had he refunded from the begining Airman may have never even opened the amp up.

[AirMan]

I am over it, I am paying to get the amp fixed, I've wanted one of these for a few years now. it's just too bad ill end up paying about 500-600 for it. if mike was a "stand up" guy like step keeps saying and trying to say i possibly scammed him,he would have just gave me my money back and took the amp back,sent it to steve for warranty work.

[KickinAudio]

Airman,

I spoke with Steve. He wrote you and offered to review the amp etc. at no charge.

Some of the stories throughout this thread are contradicting and makes this situation very confusing.

You've stated you're done with the situation.

Closing thread.