dream set up

[TazDevil]

ok guys. im going to start my build within the next week or so, and i want your input. it can be in 2 formats.

1- a full set up piece by piece that stays under 2 grand. must include head unit, eq, mids/highs, amps for mids/highs, and amp for L7 15".

2- little ideas, tips, tricks, thoughts that would allow me to come up with a unique set up. things you have wanted to try or check out, but never have.

throw down. ready go. :D

[TazDevil]

i'll start.

1-pioneer AVH-P5100DVD

2- 2 earthquake 10" sealed backs, 4 selenium horns, 4 dayton 6's, 2 t-44 bullets, 2 selenium 8's.

3- rf or diesel audio mono block for the L7, idk which.

4- i really have no clue how i want to power the mids and highs... havent spent enough time looking at amps for that, but im thinking infinity because of the clean power.. unless you guys can suggest something better/cheaper. :) haha.

5- headrest t'vs in both head rests, wired to the head unit.

6- all the mids and highs are mounted in the crawl through behind the back seats in a wall, sub is ported through the rear deck.

:)

[WaTTz305]

rf mono block belive me you wont regret it

[TazDevil]

rf mono block belive me you wont regret it

which one for the L7, and do you have suggestions for mids/highs amp?

[Mike Troll]

Do you need an EQ or do you want one? Do you think that a decent head unit wont EQ anything you want it to EQ? DO you understand what an EQ does?

Save your money on the EQ and put it towards a better head unit. The kenwood decks usually have decent EQ's for a little bit of money. I know the $200 one I put in my brothers truck had a 7 band EQ as well as time alignment and a couple other cool features.

I am not sure why diesel audio would even come into play when you are considering any product for a decent sound system.

That being said: If I have 2k to spend this is what I would buy......

Radio - Alpine CDA-9886 (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_10750_Alpine+CDA-9886.html)

EQ - None, you dont need one.

Mids/Highs - 4 Eminence Alpha 6A's (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=290-400%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&FTR=alpha%206a&CFID=15294486&CFTOKEN=43550633)

Sub Amp - Kicker ZX1000.1 (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6590_Kicker+ZX1000.1.html)

Mids Amp - Kicker ZX850.4 (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6599_Kicker+ZX850.4.html)

All for well under $2k

[TazDevil]

Do you need an EQ or do you want one? Do you think that a decent head unit wont EQ anything you want it to EQ? DO you understand what an EQ does?

Save your money on the EQ and put it towards a better head unit. The kenwood decks usually have decent EQ's for a little bit of money. I know the $200 one I put in my brothers truck had a 7 band EQ as well as time alignment and a couple other cool features.

I am not sure why diesel audio would even come into play when you are considering any product for a decent sound system.

That being said: If I have 2k to spend this is what I would buy......

Radio - Alpine CDA-9886 (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_10750_Alpine+CDA-9886.html)

EQ - None, you dont need one.

Mids/Highs - 4 Eminence Alpha 6A's (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=290-400%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&FTR=alpha%206a&CFID=15294486&CFTOKEN=43550633)

Sub Amp - Kicker ZX1000.1 (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6590_Kicker+ZX1000.1.html)

Mids Amp - Kicker ZX850.4 (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6599_Kicker+ZX850.4.html)

All for well under $2k

kicker.. hmm.. ive had bad experience with kickers quality, but thats just me.. the only reason ive got an L7 was cause i got a good deal on it and i wanted to just pound the heck out of stuff.

as for the eq, yes. i do want an eq, because it drives more power. id rather have an eq giving 9+ volts instead of 4 like a normal pre-out. not to mention, i do like having a full range of frequencies to mess with, including different dials for sub volume and vocal volume.

ive heard the alphas, and i agree, they are awesome, but ive already got the daytons, and im going to stick with those.

the unit i posted was the flip up dvd screen. thats something i really want for sure.

[MADDRUNX]

i'll start.

1-Pioneer DEH-P6000UB

2- 2 delta 10's , 4 selenium horns, 4 alpha 6's, 2 selenium tweet's preferably st350 , 2 beta 8's.

3- rf mono block for the dc lvl 4.

4- Hifonics for budget. keep tweet's and horn's on seperate amp.

6- all the mids and highs are mounted in the crawl through behind the back seats in a wall, sub is ported through the rear deck.

:)

Fixed.:grin:

[TazDevil]

Fixed.:grin:

lol. so basically, i need to sell my daytons and buy eminence.

[TazDevil]

and btw, the dvd player is now a must. lol. im doing dvd regardless, and im hooking in 2 or 4 more tv's, most likely head rest, possibly sun visors.

[Midnight Car Audio]

I'd go all selenium for the highs.. 6.5s and st350 super tweets.. maybe a horn or two, i dont really like using them inside the vehicle though.. deff would loose all the kicker too.

[Mike Troll]

kicker.. hmm.. ive had bad experience with kickers quality, but thats just me.. the only reason ive got an L7 was cause i got a good deal on it and i wanted to just pound the heck out of stuff.

as for the eq, yes. i do want an eq, because it drives more power. id rather have an eq giving 9+ volts instead of 4 like a normal pre-out. not to mention, i do like having a full range of frequencies to mess with, including different dials for sub volume and vocal volume.

ive heard the alphas, and i agree, they are awesome, but ive already got the daytons, and im going to stick with those.

the unit i posted was the flip up dvd screen. thats something i really want for sure.

My old kicker amps were some of the best amps ive ever owned. Beat the hell out of them and never once did they shut off or give up. But thats whatever. You are a noob and will learn your lessons the same way the rest of us did........the hard way. If you think you can hear an audible difference beetween 4v and 9v then you are incredibly insane! I understand wanting to adjust on the fly, but if everything gets set up properly you should have to adjust once and once only. Know how you get seperate nobs for your bass and vocals? Use the volume knob on your headunit for vocals and get a remote gain knob for your sub amp.

If you want more voltage to your amps, buy a line driver. I dont know when loading a door with speakers to keep up with a single sub became the cool thing to do, but to each his own I guess. The only people that think that is cool are the people that follow you home and steal your equipment.

[TazDevil]

My old kicker amps were some of the best amps ive ever owned. Beat the hell out of them and never once did they shut off or give up. But thats whatever. You are a noob and will learn your lessons the same way the rest of us did........the hard way. If you think you can hear an audible difference beetween 4v and 9v then you are incredibly insane! I understand wanting to adjust on the fly, but if everything gets set up properly you should have to adjust once and once only. Know how you get seperate nobs for your bass and vocals? Use the volume knob on your headunit for vocals and get a remote gain knob for your sub amp.

If you want more voltage to your amps, buy a line driver. I dont know when loading a door with speakers to keep up with a single sub became the cool thing to do, but to each his own I guess. The only people that think that is cool are the people that follow you home and steal your equipment.

lol. didnt expect you to get mad. sheesh. anyways, as far as calling me a noob and saying i'll learn, kind of immature. just because i dont like the same brand as you.. and its not like im the only one. .. yea, kicker plays hard and is tough, but its not as clean as i would like it to be. and ive heard more than my fair share.. im good friends with the owner of the loudest mids and highs truck in florida. and if you want to doubt that, finals is just around the corner.

now then, i happen to be an audiophile. i can in fact hear the difference. i know exactly when something doesnt sound right, and will go nuts trying to fix it. thats just how i am.

btw, im not trying to "keep up" with the sub. im going a different direction with this car than most of you guys. im going mids and highs. im going loud. still going to have the bass, but if i wanted real bass i would be doing a different style box, not a small one ported through the rear deck. i have another vehicle we're loading with bass. and im not even going to have anything in the doors for the time being... its all going to be walled behind the seats.

thanks for calling attention to the fact my stuff was stolen in an extremely friendly way. shows a lot of class and respect. you may have had more than 3 years of experience with audio, but i think you forgot to experience getting along with people...

[Mike Troll]

lol. didnt expect you to get mad. sheesh. anyways, as far as calling me a noob and saying i'll learn, kind of immature. just because i dont like the same brand as you.. and its not like im the only one. .. yea, kicker plays hard and is tough, but its not as clean as i would like it to be. and ive heard more than my fair share.. im good friends with the owner of the loudest mids and highs truck in florida. and if you want to doubt that, finals is just around the corner.

now then, i happen to be an audiophile. i can in fact hear the difference. i know exactly when something doesnt sound right, and will go nuts trying to fix it. thats just how i am.

btw, im not trying to "keep up" with the sub. im going a different direction with this car than most of you guys. im going mids and highs. im going loud. still going to have the bass, but if i wanted real bass i would be doing a different style box, not a small one ported through the rear deck. i have another vehicle we're loading with bass. and im not even going to have anything in the doors for the time being... its all going to be walled behind the seats.

thanks for calling attention to the fact my stuff was stolen in an extremely friendly way. shows a lot of class and respect. you may have had more than 3 years of experience with audio, but i think you forgot to experience getting along with people...

LOL, I am not mad and I wasnt trying to be a **** and I am just going to leave it at that. have fun doing what you do.

[MADDRUNX]

i'll start.

1-pioneer AVH-P5100DVD

2- 4 delta 10-b's There 16 ohm's so you can wire them in parrallel to 4 ohm's, 2 selenium horns,2 selenium tweets, 4 dayton 6's since you won't get rid of them lol.

3- rf mono block for the dc lvl 4

4- 2 hifonics zxi 1006's. You can get two so you have the same amps,one running mono on the 4 10's at 4 ohm's.and the other stereo on 2 horns,2 tweets parralel to left channel,4 daytons on right channel or however.

5- headrest t'vs in both head rests, wired to the head unit.

6- all the mids and highs are mounted in the crawl through behind the back seats in a wall, sub is ported through the rear deck.

:)

fixed again I think it's better.

[jvillefinest]

if your an audiophile i would look other places then where your looking in the mids and highs department. bullet tweeters and horns?? no get a couple of nice sets of components and call it a day.

[TazDevil]

if your an audiophile i would look other places then where your looking in the mids and highs department. bullet tweeters and horns?? no get a couple of nice sets of components and call it a day.

i am an audiophile. that doesnt mean my customers are. when you go to a show, what attracts you more, someone playing really clean music when you sit down inside their car, or someone that you can hear, and you stand around for a couple of minutes while it gets louder and louder, then they pull in? sadly, noise beats quality for the most part. :( i have thought about the components though.. might look at them some more.

and mike, you just came off that way. im running on like 7 hours of sleep the last 4 days, and im not in the best of moods. my bad. lol.

[Bizzar1]

Image Dynamics mids/highs sound real nice as well as their horn tweets. Won't kill your wallet either. I have yet to hear an eminence that impresses me. I've heard pyle pros outplay eminence. In quality, not volume btw and that's sad lol.

As for an amp I'd look for an old school US amp personally. Even if you find one blown off ebay USamps/RE still repairs them for around $200. I have an old USA442 that I will never ever part with. Had it since 1993 and nothing has come close yet in quality. Its such a clean rich and full sound you could almost swear its a tube amp. Not the most powerful thing out there (rated 40x4 @ 12v) but it plays very clean to an audiophile's ear.

side note: You can't get audiophile sound if your main core component of the system (headunit) is not up to par and IMHO a pioneer will never cut it. I like them don't get me wrong as I also sell pioneer but if you want top quality sound go with a Clarion pro or an Alpine.

[TazDevil]

Image Dynamics mids/highs sound real nice as well as their horn tweets. Won't kill your wallet either. I have yet to hear an eminence that impresses me. I've heard pyle pros outplay eminence. In quality, not volume btw and that's sad lol.

As for an amp I'd look for an old school US amp personally. Even if you find one blown off ebay USamps/RE still repairs them for around $200. I have an old USA442 that I will never ever part with. Had it since 1993 and nothing has come close yet in quality. Its such a clean rich and full sound you could almost swear its a tube amp. Not the most powerful thing out there (rated 40x4 @ 12v) but it plays very clean to an audiophile's ear.

side note: You can't get audiophile sound if your main core component of the system (headunit) is not up to par and IMHO a pioneer will never cut it. I like them don't get me wrong as I also sell pioneer but if you want top quality sound go with a Clarion pro or an Alpine.

this car wont be to please my ear. this is to be stupid loud and impress people. making it sound right wont happen until i have the time and money to build one that i can personally enjoy instead of using it for show.

[Bizzar1]

Ahh I misread. Stupid loud and a "$2000 budget" don't mix. GL ^_-

[TazDevil]

Ahh I misread. Stupid loud and a "$2000 budget" don't mix. GL ^_-

lol. they do if you plan it out right. ;)

am i going to be the loudest thing around? probably not. but eh.

if i was looking for overwhelming bass, ur right, i wouldnt be able to do it for 2 grand. but mids and highs... easy. :)

[MADDRUNX]

lol. they do if you plan it out right. ;)

am i going to be the loudest thing around? probably not. but eh.

if i was looking for overwhelming bass, ur right, i wouldnt be able to do it for 2 grand. but mids and highs... easy. :)

Probably no even close to stupid loud, Everything walled in back seat =:pointnlaugh:. everything in the door's = :drools:. Not hatin at all, just saying loudspeaker's get a whole lot louder outside the car than in, as in the doors. And what did you think of my second fix?

[aaronrchr]

kicker.. hmm.. ive had bad experience with kickers quality, but thats just me.. the only reason ive got an L7 was cause i got a good deal on it and i wanted to just pound the heck out of stuff.

as for the eq, yes. i do want an eq, because it drives more power. id rather have an eq giving 9+ volts instead of 4 like a normal pre-out. not to mention, i do like having a full range of frequencies to mess with, including different dials for sub volume and vocal volume.

ive heard the alphas, and i agree, they are awesome, but ive already got the daytons, and im going to stick with those.

the unit i posted was the flip up dvd screen. thats something i really want for sure.
Soooo you don't want to take anyone's advice, but you want them to post?

[TazDevil]

Soooo you don't want to take anyone's advice, but you want them to post?

its not that im not taking advice. lol. i do want people to post. im just talking about my experience too. not a fan of kicker quality, so... i said so.

[EpicenterDesigns]

OK, so it seems you have the HU picked out. So I am not going to mess with that.
I too suggest a line driver instead of an EQ. But then I am not and EQ guy.
I like the Daytons, so keep them. Get 2 more actually.

Headrest monitors......I have a good deal going on some if your interested.
6" for $85 each or some 11" in adjustable headrest for $250 pair.

Amps, for the mids and highs, I would choose a 4 channel amp with adjustable xover slopes. Sundown would be my choice. If you have a crossover already, then Dialo Audio. (links in my sig). I can get either one for ya if you need.

For the sub.... a matching Class D mono amp from either company will kill.

For tweeters......still choosing them myself. But I say no to horns. Dispise them.



And did I read that you want everything mounted behind you??? Imaging goes right out the window.

[Bizzar1]

He's mounting in a captains chair that spins around. :P

[Mike Troll]

See the link below for the definition of an audiophile.......then tell me how being loud gets anything close to that.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/audiophile

[TazDevil]

See the link below for the definition of an audiophile.......then tell me how being loud gets anything close to that.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/audiophile

lol. ok man, heres the deal, this car is not going to be my supreme sq car. this is my "hey look at me i do cool stuff and make loud music" car. i cant say it any clearer than that. i mentioned that i am an audiophile because i can hear the difference between the right reproduction of sound, and the wrong reproduction of sound. but i dont "have" to have it..


epicenter guy, im gonna send you a pm. lol

edit- and captains chair sounds freakin awesome...

[PEDRO MODEAN]

one suggestion that no one has offered...use security screws so its damn near impossible to take your stuff. mix it up too. diff kinds on one speaker.

the way you want to mount the speakers will make an audiophile cringe. sorry.

im not a big fan of large speakers in the doors but ALL the sound coming from behind you just does not make sense. again sorry. throw something up front.

why not do something like i saw at a show once. everyday loud speakers up front and then fade to the rear for your stupid loud set up. you can play both or just one set.

win win.

[TazDevil]

good call. i was thinking about trying to figure out some way to have a back wall on a toggle switch or something, and have a couple of daily listeners up front.. maybe a set of those nice components i got told to buy earlier.. lol. it could work.

[MADDRUNX]

good call. i was thinking about trying to figure out some way to have a back wall on a toggle switch or something, and have a couple of daily listeners up front.. maybe a set of those nice components i got told to buy earlier.. lol. it could work.

Not possible.

[TazDevil]

Not possible.

lol. thats not true, because i happen to know someone that has 3 toggle switches. one to turn his roof speakers on and off, one to turn his outside horns on and off, and one to turn something else on and off. dont remember what the third was for.. lol.

[EpicenterDesigns]

When I had the Blazer set up with the twelve 12's, I had it on toggles (heavy duty ones), and I could play it in incriments of 3 subs at a time. And toggle it between what 3 would play.


PM reply coming later. Gotta get some sleep.

[TazDevil]

When I had the Blazer set up with the twelve 12's, I had it on toggles (heavy duty ones), and I could play it in incriments of 3 subs at a time. And toggle it between what 3 would play.


PM reply coming later. Gotta get some sleep.

sleep.. pshh. im on 7 hours from the last 4 days. :D nothing to do 2morrow though, so i'll probably at least try to catch up on some. we shall see. look forward to hearing back from you.

as for the toggles, i win. :D haha

[MADDRUNX]

lol. thats not true, because i happen to know someone that has 3 toggle switches. one to turn his roof speakers on and off, one to turn his outside horns on and off, and one to turn something else on and off. dont remember what the third was for.. lol.

I was kidding come on mang,and I guess your talking about the underground truck.I had a pos bubble caprice one time I had a toggle for everything,headlight both turn signals running lights and the best one brake lights. beat that that's more than 3.:crap: jk

[TazDevil]

lol. oh yea.. well.. im gonna have a whole switchboard. a big one. with lots of switches. so ha. :D

[Snoopy]

don't 4 get alarm on that list and yea sounds clean ! all do i don't like kicker to over rated and a lot of people have them but they are good little pricey that's just me i mean the Mofo 15" is handels lower frequ more power and way cheaper then L7 but that's just me sound like a good idea do get a good box so you can pound!.

[BIGJEFF64]

I'll be the first to say it. For the mids and highs I would run jl amp but since 2000 is the budget i would recommend their sister company T.M.A. They are the same company just jl sends the components out to be assembled elsewhere. I run a 2 channel 320 watt on my mid and highs but they make a couple of 4 channels and I paid about 130 for it. You can get it cheaper online at dealercostcaraudio.com because they carry the whole line.

[TazDevil]

I'll be the first to say it. For the mids and highs I would run jl amp but since 2000 is the budget i would recommend their sister company T.M.A. They are the same company just jl sends the components out to be assembled elsewhere. I run a 2 channel 320 watt on my mid and highs but they make a couple of 4 channels and I paid about 130 for it. You can get it cheaper online at dealercostcaraudio.com because they carry the whole line.

awesome.. thanks for the input man. im actually covering the mids and highs amp with one of central fls powerbass 600.4's, but i'll be sure to keep that site and idea in mind for the future. :D



and as for kicker.. yea. i know. lol. i personally despise their sound quality, but i got a good deal, and it will push massive air in my car. and im building the box, 3 cubes sealed into 3 cubes ported up through the rear deck. if that doesnt sound decent i'm going to expand the ported chamber. gotta do what you gotta do...

will look at mofo's though. trying to make a buddies car fall apart, and we need all the bass we can get for cheap. ;)

[xdiibilly]

Your sub box won't work. The rule of thumb to start with is make the ported side twice as big as the sealed side. I'm pretty shure you can cut the sealed side down too.