Started my build. [Archive]

Chuck

04-08-2007, 12:14 AM

Started MY build. Leave it to me to make a typo in a thread name.

Well we didnt get much done today... Mainly waited for Scott to call back so we could finish up the design for the box. We spent a while making sure the design was exactly how it was supposed to be, then jracer and a friend of ours had to figure out how to swap the motor on the table saw (took a good 30mins since it was a wrong motor, but he got that to work anyways) then we started building the boxes. When i saw boxes, theres going to be 4 seperate boxes. It will be stronger that way. Each will be built out of 3/4" MDF and the interior will be resined and 2x4ed to hell, and it will be double baffled. Big Mike likes his boxes to be solid.

Each box is about 6.73ft^ IIRC. With 100sq in on port at 35hz. The little notch you see cut out is for a little hump in the sides. Just going to be a little raised box built over it.

But we didnt get much done today, spent most of the time on the design then just did a little on the building. Got the 2 bottom boxes about 70% done. Only snapped a few pics.

Heres the bottom right box.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1175.jpg

Heres the same box a with another piece on.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1176.jpg

This is what both boxes together look like.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1177.jpg

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-08-2007, 01:08 AM

Interesting. More pics....

Chuck

04-08-2007, 01:44 AM

Thats all I did today as for pics.

Ill take more as it moves along.

CBFryman

04-08-2007, 08:11 AM

I dont understand this box.

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-08-2007, 08:32 AM

He's running 4 18s. So it looks like individually chambered, centralized ports, and semi-clamshell design.

How did I do Devin?

CBFryman

04-08-2007, 08:34 AM

Going in the Explorer? Me likey.

Chuck

04-08-2007, 10:17 AM

Ya, 4 individual boxes. Each has its own port and they will be glues, screwed, nailed, and bolted together. Will be a clamshell with the ports in the center.

4 18s in my expedition.

SoldierBoy

04-08-2007, 11:16 AM

Awesome....any prediction on the mic.................goals w/this system??????

Chuck

04-08-2007, 12:28 PM

A Billion deebeez. Or something to that effect hopefully.

Im not that worried about what it will do on the mic, just as long as its loud to the ear playing music and it moves alot of air.

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-08-2007, 03:25 PM

just as long as its loud to the ear playing music and it moves alot of air.

4 18's WILL move a lot of air.....

Chuck

04-08-2007, 03:55 PM

Lets hope so... Especially with those badboys getting around 4500-5000rms each! :)

Btw, I got 5 more Kinetik HC2400s. So now I got 10 of em total.

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-08-2007, 07:52 PM

Sweet. Do you realize how priveleged you are?

When I was your age I had 2 Pyramid 15s in a 5 cube sealed box, powered by a Pyramid Gold Series 800 watt four channel, in a 78 Corolla Liftback......

Chuck

04-09-2007, 12:55 AM

Definately. Luckily I live at home so I dont have any expenses... I just pay for gas and some food whenever I go out.

Well all 4 boxes are built Now they just need to be resined and braced. Then it just needs to be put in car, covered, trimmed, made pretty, and wired up!

Im so excited... You dont even know. Should be done by the end of the month.

CBFryman

04-09-2007, 08:06 AM

Everyone is getting louder. I'm thinking about going in the other direction. Making a show box and seal the 15's and be done with it. I will still be able to comete 139.9.

Keep the pics comming on this build.

slim_thug

04-10-2007, 06:52 PM

Lets hope so... Especially with those badboys getting around 4500-5000rms each! :).

Hope you have better luck than myself. I've already blown 3 fully loaded BTLs on 4000 watts. The last 2 only lasted about 4 weekends! Anyway, can't wait to see the final product. Should be pretty **** crazy!

Chuck

04-10-2007, 07:52 PM

Ha that sucks. I dont plan on slamming it full volume all around town. Just when i compete and for demos.

SoldierBoy

04-10-2007, 08:12 PM

**** slim that sucks.....when r u getting replacements????????????

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-10-2007, 10:10 PM

Hope you have better luck than myself. I've already blown 3 fully loaded BTLs on 4000 watts. The last 2 only lasted about 4 weekends! Anyway, can't wait to see the final product. Should be pretty **** crazy!

Have you fixed that box yet?

Pipo

04-11-2007, 09:16 AM

Well 4000 watts for dayli per sub is too much on any kind of sub regardless and if the box is not right that can also blow subs up. my .02

splblazer

04-11-2007, 10:01 AM

I never had any problems until I added the 2nd amp to each sub. With 1 6500 per sub it will play all day, with 2 I have to take it easier on it.

Pipo

04-11-2007, 11:16 AM

What's all day to you? 8 hours? 24 hrs? A bass race Run all day long?

Everyhere can say all day but I don't think so maybe at low volume but come on there is no sub that's going to take an Hour straight with 4000 watts going to it every second.

splblazer

04-11-2007, 01:02 PM

No equipment is going to stand to constant abuse. I would consider full tilt for an hour abuse. The 15s I run are the same that I have had for the last year. The only shows I didn't use them for were Finals and SBN. By all day I was refering to regular usage as I drive the truck around.

Pipo

04-11-2007, 02:03 PM

Now that's a better way on saying...thanks for the clarification Mr. Mackey:)

splblazer

04-11-2007, 02:17 PM

Anytime;)

CBFryman

04-11-2007, 04:09 PM

I run tones through my moofers when I'm riding around town. You guys dont? lol. :)

Chuck

04-11-2007, 07:40 PM

Worst case if the BTLs done hold up, Ill just get 4 18" TSNS. :eek:

CBFryman

04-11-2007, 07:59 PM

More pics?

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-11-2007, 09:42 PM

Worst case if the BTLs done hold up, Ill just get 4 18" TSNS. :eek:

:eek: ;) :cool:

Miguel A

04-11-2007, 10:51 PM

r u running 2 1500 per sub them sundownz must be loud as hell for 1500's

Mike Troll

04-12-2007, 01:22 AM

I fixed the thread title for you. It was giving me **** but it should be fixed now.

Looks good cant wait to see the finished product!

Chuck

04-13-2007, 08:04 PM

Thanks for the fix.

And yeah, the amps will be 2 strapped per sub. Strapped at 1 ohm actually. I got the eletrical to back it up. A 300amp alt and 10 Kinetik HC2400s.

pimpedout97x

04-14-2007, 10:13 AM

thought u were stapping @ .5?

Chuck

04-14-2007, 12:03 PM

Haha hell no. Im strapping @ 1 ohm, but each amp will be seeing .5ohm.

pimpedout97x

04-15-2007, 04:35 PM

you told me that each amp was gonna see .35 or .25 one time on aim.....lol

and its sunday, where the ** are the pics!

Chuck

04-16-2007, 01:13 AM

With the humidity it took a good 12 hours for the resin inside the box to dry. The ports were painted with roll on bedliner. I know it wont be the best for SPL, but if it comes down to looking badass and losing .2db or gaining .2db and looking like **** (spray paint), ill take the looks. You can see in a few pics one of the side pannels. All vinyled up. The whole thing will be trimmed off to the B pillar and vinyled in 2 different shades of gray. And you gotta love having 4 walled 18s and still being able to have your seats all the way back and fully reclined. I could take a nap in there if i needed to.... And the rest of my Kinetik HC2400s came in, so now I got 10 total.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1180.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1189.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1187.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1192.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1183.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1199.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1195.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1196.jpg

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-16-2007, 04:44 AM

Nice.

Pipo

04-16-2007, 08:54 AM

Looking good.

Yes pretty is better.....

CBFryman

04-16-2007, 10:00 AM

Keep the pics comming. It looks excellent.

Chuck

04-24-2007, 01:07 PM

So what do you guys think now that you saw it in person?

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-24-2007, 02:14 PM

I think you need to get off the forum and in the truck to finish it.

orangecounty

04-24-2007, 10:37 PM

yea i agree he needs to get the work done i was hyped to see it at the show and all i saw was a boox i was a lil upset that you were slackin so much

Chuck

04-24-2007, 11:40 PM

Ha yeah... I only work on it with Mike as he has all the tools and I dont have any... I also cant put out the kind of work he can.

Its come pretty far in 3-4 days of actual work though...

Chuck

04-29-2007, 11:55 PM

Well the trimwork is all cut out... Just needs to be wrapped in vinyl and put back in the car. The battery box is built and the batteries are in. Then just run the wire and hook up the amps and the subs. No reason why it wont be playing this weekend.

Mike Troll

04-30-2007, 01:36 AM

Any reason why there are no pictures?

Chuck

04-30-2007, 01:28 PM

Well I had some time so I took a few pictures... All the trim pannels still need to go on, but these are the thick trim pannels. The masonite goes over them as a single piece. Then the side pannels go on and are flush with the b pillar. Yes, its very dirty/dusty/whatever, but whateva.... It will all be cleaned.

10 Kinetik HC2400s
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1272.jpg

The pannels on the side of the clam and the baffle pannels are how they are going to look.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1278.jpg

Going to be home of 6 6.5" Eminence Alphas. Black mesh is going to go over them.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1282.jpg

The 2 littles holes are for tweeters. Black mesh over those once again.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1285.jpg

What you see lookin in.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1289.jpg

Bought this from Corey forever ago and just found it the other day.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1277.jpg

pimpedout97x

04-30-2007, 01:36 PM

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

looks intimidating looking in the windshield.

i like the eminence setup down there.

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-30-2007, 02:08 PM

Nice imaging.....

CBFryman

04-30-2007, 04:42 PM

Man that looks excelent. You are doing an awsome job. I love the sticker. I went to that site and it made me laugh.

Our quality of life has been devistated through the unconscionable greed of the manufacturers who market the misuse of infrasonic technology...

10sec of boom a few times a day must be really traumatic. I cant imagine hearing that infrasonic sound...

CalusaCustomConcepts

04-30-2007, 10:36 PM

Seriously, infrasonic is always my goal when I build a ground pounder. Nothing says you love your neighbors more than 15 hertz at 2am......

Chuck

04-30-2007, 11:29 PM

Nice imaging.....

Hahahaha

I think I might compete in IASCA sq with this one... o.0

CBFryman

05-01-2007, 08:16 AM

I bet you win. Tell the judge it's line array, he just has to turn around.

Chuck

05-03-2007, 05:14 PM

Got my alt in. 300 amperes of Excessive Amperage power!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1297.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1298.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1299.jpg

KickinAudio

05-03-2007, 05:45 PM

Very nice!! It's all coming together!

The box looks very nice.

da_user

05-03-2007, 05:53 PM

lookin good man nice alt what did it run u ?

Chuck

05-04-2007, 01:21 AM

$412 shipped. I bought it during the EA holiday special. Nate hooked me up with a great price.

pimpedout97x

05-04-2007, 12:53 PM

hey u goin up to gandy this weekend, or the wall isnt gonna be playing yet?

Drivingreckless

05-04-2007, 01:53 PM

Whats at gandy???

Chuck

05-05-2007, 05:35 PM

Your mom!

Well all the batteries were wired up, another run of 1/0 power, subs mounted and wired, and 6 Alpha 6s and 4 APT-80 tweets were installed.... And they scream!

If jracer wasnt down helpin today, not 1/2 of this stuff would have gotten done. I dunno if you're going to read this, but if ya do, thanks alot for everything man!

Ill get pics of the mids/highs and mounted subs later.

pimpedout97x

05-05-2007, 08:05 PM

ur horrible with pics!

what crossover were you using?

Chuck

05-06-2007, 06:43 PM

Its finished.... Gotta tweak everything a little and touch up some trim pannels and what not, but im very happy with it.

It doesnt play any upper bass at all, but any low bass it slams.

I got a video, here it is.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/th_Picture1301.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/?action=view&current=Picture1301.flv)

mobeious

05-06-2007, 07:16 PM

**** that looks nasty loud

Miguel A

05-06-2007, 07:24 PM

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet very nice bro good things happens to those who wait

Mike Troll

05-06-2007, 07:39 PM

That is ****in nasty!!!!!

Makes me wish I never would have sold my SUV...

CalusaCustomConcepts

05-06-2007, 11:17 PM

HOLY FREAKING CRAP!!!! That is......that is......ummmmm......scary.

It doesnt play any upper bass at all, but any low bass it slams.

That can be fixed. You're tuned wrong.

Chuck

05-07-2007, 12:10 AM

Ill check the filters... But Im pretty sure its just the nature of the beast. Ported 18s tuned low = low *** bass.

Btw, heres pics.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1304.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1305.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture1307.jpg

Mike Troll

05-07-2007, 12:31 AM

We need to have a "how long til interior panels start falling apart" pool. The way that dash was flopping around I dont see it lasting long....lol

CalusaCustomConcepts

05-07-2007, 07:39 AM

Ported 18s tuned low = low *** bass.

That's what I'm talking about. If you changed the tuning of the boxes, you'd hear high bass. No, I'm not saying it's gonna be easy.......But those subs can be tuned to play ALL frequencies.

Oh, and Mike's SOOOOO right. You and plastic are not going to get along....

Drivingreckless

05-07-2007, 03:43 PM

weaaaaaaaaaaaaak!!!!!!

nah looks beasty, cant wait to hear it...
you comin to the river view competition this sunday???

young_gun

05-07-2007, 05:59 PM

Seriously, infrasonic is always my goal when I build a ground pounder. Nothing says you love your neighbors more than 15 hertz at 2am......

LAWL

SoldierBoy

05-07-2007, 08:08 PM

freakin crazy...............and clean...........

Chuck

05-08-2007, 01:15 AM

Im going to rewire them so that they're strapped at 2.8ohms. Will be more like 2200-2400rms per sub that way. The top passanger sub I found out hasnt even been working.... I checked everything and cant figure it out. Im pretty sure its not blown.... Like 95% sure. Idk we'll see. I made a new video though...

Keep in mind its hard to make a video when sitting in a car thats pounding the hell out of you, you're running out of memory on the camera (i only had like 40 seconds on the camera), you're already 10 minutes late to work, and you got no idea what to film.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/th_Picture1309.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/?action=view&current=Picture1309.flv)

young_gun

05-08-2007, 07:04 AM

^^^That vid = OUCH!!!! Man, I wanna have one of those in my car,LMAO

CalusaCustomConcepts

05-08-2007, 08:00 AM

Gee Devin, why don't you get a script next time......that was MESSY.

Flex

05-08-2007, 09:06 AM

get us a video of billy E cd tuner beats track 19...

da_user

05-08-2007, 10:08 AM

that **** is insane wow lol nice bro

bigslim

05-08-2007, 10:02 PM

yo that ish is crazy. you know its bad when you can do a hair test with that little bit of hair LOL. its gotta be insaine in person!!!!!

young_gun

05-08-2007, 10:21 PM

yo that ish is crazy. you know its bad when you can do a hair test with that little bit of hair LOL. its gotta be insaine in person!!!!!

LMAO,your right, if you can do a hair trick w/a crew cut your bangin!

orangecounty

05-08-2007, 10:42 PM

lol you gonna be at the show on sunday ???

KickinAudio

05-08-2007, 10:46 PM

What an awesome setup! Can't wait to hear that one

Chuck

05-08-2007, 11:41 PM

Na Ill be in Illinois. :(

orangecounty

05-08-2007, 11:44 PM

dude wtf you know how many ppl want to hear this thing.. your killin us man. lol

CalusaCustomConcepts

05-09-2007, 01:51 AM

Those videos are fake.

You just photoshopped all that equipment into your empty truck.......

Team T&E

05-09-2007, 10:01 AM

I would love to see more pics

pimpedout97x

05-09-2007, 11:28 AM

Those videos are fake.

You just photoshopped all that equipment into your empty truck.......

ROFL

Chuck

05-09-2007, 12:26 PM

Those videos are fake.

You just photoshopped all that equipment into your empty truck.......

Dude dont tell anyone! That was between you and me!

KIAKID

05-09-2007, 01:34 PM

That is one AWESOME set-up! GREAT Build!

Chuck

05-09-2007, 07:47 PM

Now another sub isnt working. ****in A im pissed off. I havent even played em that hard and they never got smelly to the point where they would blow.

Buzz, how much would 4 18" TSNS cost me?

CalusaCustomConcepts

05-09-2007, 07:53 PM

Are you sure it's the subs?

You have PM.

Chuck

05-09-2007, 09:21 PM

I checked the coils and they are reading fine. I think it just might be broken tinsel leads.

I gotta rewire... Im getting 77 amps of current.... PER COIL!

CalusaCustomConcepts

05-09-2007, 10:20 PM

Amps or volts?

Have you checked for DC?

CBFryman

05-10-2007, 10:34 AM

77a of current per coil?

Chuck

05-10-2007, 04:47 PM

Jake from Sundown sent me this PM.

Based on Loyd's numbers you had about 4150 watts per woofer on tap at 12.8 volts supply. At your load of 0.35 ohms per coil at 2075 watts per coil that means 77 amps of current per coil if I did the math right.

That is a pretty substantial amount of current whether the power itself was a problem or not, you may have blown the tinsel leads in two -- that would be one of my first guesses at this time based on what is happening now.

If you re-wired to 2.8 ohms per pair, or 1.4 per amp that means about 1250 watts per amp at 12.8 volts, or 2500 watts per woofer. This time only 30 amps per coil.

So yeah, its 77 amps of current. Im off to Illinois right now but when I get back im taking the top subs out and seeing whats wrong. When its all fixed im rewiring them.

pimpedout97x

05-11-2007, 10:39 AM

...you had about 4150 watts per woofer...

:eek:

CalusaCustomConcepts

05-11-2007, 05:22 PM

I'd say your Voltage was higher than that with your alternator....

But still, check your tinsels. After you fix it check the amps for DC. That will kill the coils at 10 amps per coil....

pimpedout97x

05-12-2007, 09:07 AM

just get 4 more 18's and run less power to each 18 hahahah :)

i wish i could fit 4 18's in mine, with the airbag setup and everything.

Chuck

05-14-2007, 11:22 AM

When you're running 5,000rms to a speaker @ .35ohm, **** is going to go wrong.

For daily beating, thats just too much power. Not just bad luck, just a dumb move on my part running that much power at that ohm load. Id be pretty confident in them taking 4,000rms daily @ 1 ohm or above in a box with a little less port. When I get my stuff, I wanna listen to it. Whether its Type Rs, Treos, Xplods, or BTLs, im going to crank it. No point in having something that I cant listen to for more than 15 seconds.

One thing I will say is dont run 5,000rms to a BTL daily. I dont know how the hell Meade or anyone else does it, but it doesnt seem to work to well. I mean they really took the abuse I put em through... Especially for 2.5x their RMS @ .35ohm in a big ported box. We dropped the 2 top subs today and on one, the tinsels are broken, and in both the cone is seperated from the spider. The coils are a little dark, but definately still playable. The speakers are cut up and waiting for recones. Gotta order em either today or tomorrow. I wont be making the show during the weekend, but whatever. Im just runnin the 2 bottom subs for now. Goin easy on em. They're loud enough for a daily beater until I get it all workin. I mean with 2 subs I can still do hair tricks with both windows all the way down... Anyways, Ill take a pic of the tinsels and cone seperated and show you guys later.

CalusaCustomConcepts

05-14-2007, 11:40 AM

Hmmmmm. Bring one of those subs to the show this weekend....

You BETTER be coming out. This is your backyard.

pimpedout97x

05-14-2007, 12:26 PM

I dont know how the hell Meade or anyone else does it, but it doesnt seem to work to well.

i know wtf, how does he do it?

orangecounty

05-14-2007, 12:30 PM

well first guess would be its not all the basic parts in those subs for meade to play those subs like he does they are specially made with different parts.. and ill think that until someone proves different and shows me how he puts that much power on those subs

Riding Clean

05-14-2007, 12:35 PM

Sounds like you didnt break them bad boys in!!....should have played BTL 18s for atleast 3 days at low volume to losin them up.

LOOKS GREAT !!! cant waith to demo it!!

pimpedout97x

05-14-2007, 12:42 PM

Chuck

05-14-2007, 12:47 PM

I didnt break em in, but I sure did break em! :cussing:

Ill bring the subs out to the show. You gotta see the damage I did! :banghead3:

orangecounty

05-14-2007, 12:48 PM

yea and they messed up.. thats what im sayin meades are not just basic fully loaded btls

pimpedout97x

05-14-2007, 01:02 PM

I didnt break em in, but I sure did break em! :cussing:

Ill bring the subs out to the show. You gotta see the damage I did! :banghead3:

pics

pimpedout97x

05-14-2007, 01:02 PM

yea and they messed up.. thats what im sayin meades are not just basic fully loaded btls

you sure?

what about his old mts?

Chuck

05-14-2007, 01:36 PM

Ive heard that his are kinda upgraded also. Not the regular fully loaded BTL.

Chuck

05-14-2007, 02:11 PM

Well, here you go. The reason the former is so bent is from the cone slapping it from playing the other subs.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture006-1.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture008.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture009.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture010-1.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture012-2.jpg

And when you're picking up a heavy sub, make sure the place you grab isnt sharp.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/Picture011-2.jpg

Riding Clean

05-14-2007, 03:19 PM

Breaking in these types of Subs is VERY VERY important!!!! especialy when you have that much power on them....they would have still be jamin if you would have broken them in.. G-Monk I bet you never even smelt the coils these subs can handle that power....but breaking in is a must other wise yall rip the coil off ever time.....I know you remember how stiff they were!!..lol

Riding Clean

05-14-2007, 03:22 PM

chuck's BTLs are all fully loaded with all the options FI offers.

The FI BTL Full option can handle 4-5K no problem ....not for extended periods of time but a 40-50 second demo should be no problem

CalusaCustomConcepts

05-14-2007, 06:23 PM

Yeah, be careful. Those new baskets aren't as refined as the european ones. I did the same thing when I picked up a new MT last year.

pimpedout97x

05-14-2007, 08:27 PM

****.

Chuck

05-14-2007, 09:15 PM

Yeah, the cone was seperated, but in person the coil doesnt look like that. Its BARELY darker than usual.

shawnfleming

05-21-2007, 09:29 PM

Whats up guys, I just noticed some ppl thinking that steve's subs werent standard BTL's. Honestly guys, we are a company that makes money off options, if there were more options that we could do to make a sub better and make money off of it, we would do it. Why would we make something special for one person, when everyone (including us) could benefit from it. Most all of you know me, except for some of the new breed here in FL, and I will tell you straight up.

Thanks guys

Shawn